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	<title>Comments on: Scientific Zeitgeist vs. &#8220;Independent&#8221; Discoveries</title>
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		<title>By: lingpipe</title>
		<link>http://lingpipe-blog.com/2008/09/11/scientific-zeitgeist-vs-independent-discoveries/#comment-3213</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a great discussion of the topic of multiple discoveries at Peter Turney&#039;s blog Apperceptual in a post &lt;a href=&quot;http://apperceptual.wordpress.com/2007/01/15/the-heroic-theory-of-scientific-development/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Heroic Theory of Scientific Development&lt;/a&gt;.  Lots of great references in the comments, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a great discussion of the topic of multiple discoveries at Peter Turney&#8217;s blog Apperceptual in a post <a href="http://apperceptual.wordpress.com/2007/01/15/the-heroic-theory-of-scientific-development/" rel="nofollow">The Heroic Theory of Scientific Development</a>.  Lots of great references in the comments, too.</p>
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		<title>By: lingpipe</title>
		<link>http://lingpipe-blog.com/2008/09/11/scientific-zeitgeist-vs-independent-discoveries/#comment-2795</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.  I thought it was pretty direct.  

I was scooped by roughly 30 years in the epidemiology literature for a simple model, and by 10 years in epidemiology literature for both Bayesian models.  They don&#039;t seem to have ever estimated their hierarchical priors (the beta params), or dealt with partial data, but those are pretty simple additions.  

That&#039;d be about 10 years in the CL literature -- Bruce and Wiebe applied the Dawid and Skene 1979 scheme in 1999, so I&#039;d say I was scooped on the notion of trying to induce a gold standard by about 10 years. 

The really cool stuff coming out now is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.doloreslabs.com/2008/09/amt-fast-cheap-good-machine-learning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EMNLP paper from Dolores Labs&lt;/a&gt; and friends on using the Amazon Mechanical Turk to do annotations.  I&#039;m about to dump out results of the binomial tagging models on that data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  I thought it was pretty direct.  </p>
<p>I was scooped by roughly 30 years in the epidemiology literature for a simple model, and by 10 years in epidemiology literature for both Bayesian models.  They don&#8217;t seem to have ever estimated their hierarchical priors (the beta params), or dealt with partial data, but those are pretty simple additions.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;d be about 10 years in the CL literature &#8212; Bruce and Wiebe applied the Dawid and Skene 1979 scheme in 1999, so I&#8217;d say I was scooped on the notion of trying to induce a gold standard by about 10 years. </p>
<p>The really cool stuff coming out now is the <a href="http://blog.doloreslabs.com/2008/09/amt-fast-cheap-good-machine-learning/" rel="nofollow">EMNLP paper from Dolores Labs</a> and friends on using the Amazon Mechanical Turk to do annotations.  I&#8217;m about to dump out results of the binomial tagging models on that data.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Johnson</title>
		<link>http://lingpipe-blog.com/2008/09/11/scientific-zeitgeist-vs-independent-discoveries/#comment-2794</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bob,

Is this post an indirect way of saying that you were scooped on the annotation evaluation model you posted on the 5th Sept?  If so, is there a specific paper on this kind of annotation evaluation that you can recommend?  BTW, I think your model is very nice, as it gives us a way of estimating the accuracy of the annotations, which is what we really want to know.  

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Is this post an indirect way of saying that you were scooped on the annotation evaluation model you posted on the 5th Sept?  If so, is there a specific paper on this kind of annotation evaluation that you can recommend?  BTW, I think your model is very nice, as it gives us a way of estimating the accuracy of the annotations, which is what we really want to know.  </p>
<p>Mark</p>
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